The Real Devil [Chinese version]
真 正的魔鬼
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真正的魔鬼 |
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撒
旦，魔鬼，恶魔，路西弗，罪恶...邪
恶。我相信，在生活中有时候很多人思考的是这些事情，但是他们没有得到满意的答案。本演示将站在圣经的角度来看，因为我向你指出，圣经是神的话语，我们的
问题都可以在圣经里找到真正答案。我想建议的是，圣经教授“撒
旦”一
词基本上是指一个对手，而事实上，撒但作为个人在宇宙中并不存在。这是正确的，宇宙中没有七个头十只角的龙，我们生活中所有的邪恶都在神的控制之下。罪
恶，是我们最大的问题，罪恶最终来自于我们自己的内心，来自于我们自己的思想。其实，我们是我们自己的撒旦，就像我们经常这样说，我们自身是自己最大的敌
人或对手。与罪恶和邪恶的斗争正在进行，就在人类的内心和思想里。 |
Satan, the devil, demons, Lucifer, sin,
evil… evil. I believe that most people think about these
things at some times in their lives, and they don’t have very
good answers to their questions. This presentation is going to look at
a Biblical perspective- because I submit to you that the Bible is
God’s word, and holds within its pages real answers to the
questions which, consciously or unconsciously, we’re asking.
What I want to suggest is that the Bible teaches that the word
“Satan” basically means an adversary, and that in
fact, Satan doesn’t exist as a personal being out in the
cosmos. That’s right-there’s no dragon with seven
heads and ten horns literally out there in the cosmos. All the evil in
our lives is permitted under God’s control. And sin-yes, sin,
our biggest problem- and sin comes ultimately from within our own
hearts, our own thinking. We, actually, are our own Satan, and as we
all say so often, we are our own biggest enemy or adversary. The
struggle with sin and evil is right down here on earth, right within
human hearts and minds. |
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在
街道上，有各种不同的看法，人们都非常困惑。 |
But out on the street, there are all
kinds of different views. People are terribly confused. |
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“打
扰一下，你是怎样看待撒旦的？” “撒
旦？哇！我从来没有真正想过这个问题。不管怎样，他不应该是一个从第99楼
掉落的天使吗？但是......我
现在很忙，我要走了！“ “好
的！” |
“Excuse me… what do
you think
about Satan?” “Satan? Wow. Never really
thought about it. Or him. Whatever. Isn’t he supposed to be,
like, the Angel that fell off the 99thfloor?
But… I’m busy now, I gotta go!” “OK!” |
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“打
扰一下，你是怎样看待撒旦的？” “什
么？你是说‘撒
旦’？” “是
的。” &
ldquo;撒旦，撒旦，我不知道， |
“Excuse me… what do
you think
about Satan?” “What? You said
“Satan”?” “Yes that’s
right!” “Satan…
Satan… You know, I don’t know. Bad things happen,
to good people, to bad people… ”
不
好的事情发生在好人和坏人身上……” “非
常感谢！” “Thank you for your
time” |
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“打
扰一下，你是怎样看待撒旦的？” “哈，
不知道。很抱歉！” “谢
谢！” |
“Excuse me… what do
you think
about Satan?” “Ha? No idea! Sorry!” “Thank you” |
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“打
扰一下，你是怎样看待撒旦的？” “如
果你相信上帝，那么你也相信另一面，另一面的宗教。如果你相信上帝，好的一面，那么你也会相信另一面，也就是邪恶的一面。” |
“What do you
think about Satan?” “If you believe in God, then
you believe also in the other side, the other side of religion. If you
believe in God, in the good, then you will also believe in the other
side, in the evil one”. |
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“打
扰一下，你是怎样看待撒旦的？” “撒
旦......唉，
撒旦，不知道。罪？邪恶？邪恶或类似的东西？“ “谢
谢！” |
“Excuse me… what do
you think
about Satan?” “ Satan… well,
Satan, dunno. Sin? Evil? Wickedness or something like that?” “Thank you” |
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“打
扰一下，你是怎样看待撒旦的？” “就
是不好的。” “谢
谢！” |
“Excuse me… what do
you think
about Satan?” “It’s the
bad!” “Thank you” |
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“你
好，你是怎样看待撒旦的？” “嗯，
我觉得撒旦是一个非常邪恶的人，一种龙。反正他不应该是我的朋友！“ “好
的，谢谢！” |
“Hi, what do you think about
Satan?” “Well I think Satan is a very
wicked man, a kind of dragon. Well he shouldn’t be my friend,
anyway!” “OK thank you” |
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“打
扰一下，你是怎样看待撒旦的？” “嗯......他
不应该是什么......路
西弗吗？” “谢
谢！” |
“Excuse me what do you think
about Satan?” “Umm…
isn’t he supposed to be… what’s the
word… Lucifer?” “Thank you” |
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Out on the street, there are all kinds
of questions. But when people start thinking more deeply, the
classical, popular understandings of Satan just don’t add up.
I mean, the standard idea is that Satan was an Angel who sinned and got
thrown out into the garden of Eden where he tempted Adam and Eve, led
them into sin, all sin is his fault, and he is now responsible for all
kinds of evil and sin on the earth. God is painted as
the“good guy”, and Satan as His kind of opposite
number. The popular ideas of Satan are really just one dollar answers
to million dollar questions. Because sin and evil are perhaps the
hardest issues in our whole human experience. People from all over the
world now, from all kinds of different backgrounds and perspectives,
are coming to the same conclusions- that the standard popular ideas of
Satan just don’t add up: |
在
街道上，有各种各样的问题。但是当人们开始更深入地思考，古典的，流行的关于撒旦的理解并没有增加。我的意思是，标准的想法是，撒旦是一个犯了罪被扔进伊
甸园的天使，在那里他诱惑亚当和夏娃，诱导他们犯罪，所有的罪都是他的错，他现在是引起世界上各种邪恶和罪恶的原因。上帝被描绘成“好
人”，
而撒旦则是上帝的对立面。关于撒旦的流行的观点就像是一美元答案对数百万美元问题。因为罪孽和邪恶，也许是我们整个人类的经验中最难的问题。来自世界各地
的人，从各种不同背景和角度，以相同的结论，即关于撒旦的标准流行的观点没有增加： |
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Here’s Janet from New Zealand:
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面是来自新西兰的珍妮特： |
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“Well one of my questions was
always: When did the Devil fall? Before creation? Before Adam was
created? Afterwards? At the time prophesied in Revelation 12? At the
time of Noah, when the sons of God married the daughters of men in
Genesis 6? |
“我
的问题之一始终是：魔鬼是什么时候降临的？在上帝创造世界之前？在亚当被创造之前？还是以后？在预言启示录12？
在创世纪6诺
亚时代，当神的儿子与人类的女儿结婚的时候？ |
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Sonia’s a translator from
France: |
索
尼娅是一个来自法国的翻译： |
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“How can the positive
spiritual effect of Satan
be explained? The Bible talks about it- men were delivered to Satan, so
they might learn not to blaspheme, so it says in 1 Timothy 1;
deliverance to Satan results in “the destruction of the
flesh” in 1 Corinthians 5. Surely all this only makes sense
if ‘Satan’ merely refers to an adversary, and not
to some cosmic being bent on making us sin? |
“撒
旦的积极精神的影响如何来解释呢？圣经提摩太前书1说
到，人类被交给撒旦，所以他们可能学会不要亵渎神明，哥林多前书5讲
到，释放撒旦导致“肉
体的毁灭”。
当然，如果'撒
旦'仅
仅是指一个对手，而不是一些让我们犯罪的宇宙人，这一切才有意义。 |
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Charles is from Nigeria: “I guess most Africans believe
in some Satan figure. But my question is, What exactly is our defence
against the Devil? Why would Satan get scared off by our Bible reading,
uttering the name of Christ, getting baptized, wearing or touching a
cross, making the sign of the cross, or even reciting charms and the
other things suggested by many churches?”. |
查
尔斯来自尼日利亚： “我
想大多数非洲人相信一些撒旦形象。但我的问题是，我们对魔鬼的防御究竟是什么？我们阅读圣经，说出基督的名，得到洗礼，穿着或接触十字架，做出十字架的手
势，甚至背诵赞美诗，还有许多教会提出的其他事情，为什么会吓跑撒旦？ |
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Donald’s from China: “Belief in Satan is very
popular in China, even amongst Christians. But Hebrews 2:14 says that
Jesus destroyed the Devil on the cross. So how come that sin and evil
are ever increasing in our world – if the Devil indeed is
responsible for them? And if the Devil has been
“destroyed” on the cross, in what sense is this
personal being still alive and active? How can the Devil be judged at
the last day if he was destroyed on the cross?” |
来
自中国的唐纳德： “撒
旦这种说法在在中国很受欢迎，包括有些基督徒。但希伯来书2:14说，
耶稣在十字架上，摧毁了魔鬼。所以为什么我们的世界上罪恶和邪恶（如果魔鬼的确可以造成罪恶和邪恶）还在不断的增加？如果魔鬼已在十字架上被“摧
毁”，
那么他如何仍然活着并积极活动呢？如果他在十字架上被摧毁，那么他如何在审判日被审判呢？ |
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Josh comes from Florida in the USA: “Yeah
I’ve been really confused by the idea that demons are
supposed fallen Angels come down to earth to tempt humans to sin, or
because they were cast down by God? If they were cast down by God in
punishment for their sin,
why then should humanity suffer because of that? Isn’t that
like punishing a psychopath by giving him a loaded gun and casting him
out of the courtroom into a school playground?” |
来
自美国佛罗里达的乔希： “是
啊，关于这个概念我非常混淆，恶魔被认为是堕落天使，降临地球引诱人类犯罪，或是他们被上帝抛弃了？如果上帝逐出他们是在惩罚他们的罪恶，那么为什么人类
会受到影响？那岂不就像惩罚一个变态，给他一只上了膛的枪，把他从法庭放出，让他去一个学校的操场上？“ |
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Kevin’s from Brazil: “Well, if God is all powerful,
that to me leaves no room for a Devil figure as is commonly believed
in. Does God have, say, 50% of the power, and Satan has 50%, and they
are battling it out up in the sky? That makes no sense to me”. |
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自巴西的凯文： “嗯，
如果神是全能的，那么我认为神就不会让魔鬼存在。比如说，上帝有一半的力量，撒旦有一半的力量，他们在天空中打了起来？这对我没有意义“。 |
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Guy’s from South Africa: “Could or would we sin if the
Devil didn’t exist? If not, then surely we suffer and are
punished unfairly for our sins? If we would, then to what extent is the
Devil responsible for our sins, seeing we would sin anyway?” |
伽
一来自南非： “如
果魔鬼不存在，我们还会犯罪吗？如果没有，那么我们就一定受苦，并为我们的罪受到不公平的审判吗？ 如
果我们有罪，那么魔鬼对我们的罪负多少责任？“ |
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Steve’s an accountant from
England: “Many Christian writers claim
that God permits Satan to operate. But why, then, do we repeatedly read
in the Bible of evil coming “from the Lord” and
being “sent” by Him? Isaiah 45 is quite clear that
both light and darkness, good and “evil”
in the sense of disaster, all come from God. Micah 1 says that
“Evil came down from
the Lord unto Jerusalem. And so
I could go on!” |
史
蒂夫是一个来自英国的会计师： “许
多基督教作家声称，上帝允许撒旦胡作非为。然后，可是为什么我们反复阅读圣经，邪恶“由
主而来”，
主也将把他 “送
走”？
以赛亚书45说
得很清楚，光明和黑暗，好与“恶”——灾
难，都由上帝而来。米迦1说，“邪
恶来自耶路撒冷的主，所以我可以继续下去！” |
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John’s a businessman from New
Zealand:
“If we Satan
really exists as a person, with power to lead every human being into
temptation, he must have enormous power and knowledge. So my question
is, from where did he get such power and authority? Surely from God.
After all, the Bible says that all power comes from God. Did God really
send Satan down to earth with all that power and authority, if Satan
was supposedly thrown out of Heaven?” Thank you. |
约
翰是一个来自新西兰的商人： “如
果撒旦真正作为一个人存在，导致每个人被诱惑，他必须有巨大的力量和知识。所以我的问题是，他从哪里得到这种权力和权威？当然，从神。毕竟，圣经上说，所
有的权力都来自上帝。如果撒旦被是驱逐出了天堂，神真的是把拥有权力和权威的撒旦送到地上吗？” 谢
谢！ |
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I could add many more such questions. I
get lots of them by email, in response to reading our material at
realdevil.info . I’d just like to read you from one email:
“Can the Devil and those angels ever repent? Does he now have
freewill? Did he ever have freewill? Was he originally of
God’s nature in Heaven? If Adam sinned but could repent, why
could not Satan and the supposed fallen angels also repent? As Milton
observed in Paradise Lost:“Man
therefore shall find grace / The other [i.e. Satan]
none”.” |
我
可以补充更多的此类问题。我收到很多电子邮件，为了回应阅读材料 realdevil.info ，
我想读取一个电子邮件：“魔
鬼和那些天使会忏悔吗？他现在有自由意志吗？他曾经有自由意志吗？他原本是否有神在天上的气质？如果亚当犯了罪，但可以悔改，为什么撒旦和堕落天使不能悔
改？正如米尔顿在《失天堂》中说：“因
此，人应当找到恩泽，但撒旦没有。” |
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Pretty good questions, I’d
say. So what does the Bible actually say? |
不
错的问题，我会说。那么， “圣
经”上
到底怎么说？ |
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The Old Testament was written in Hebrew,
and the Hebrew word “shatan” simply means an
adversary. Let’s listen to someone who knows Biblical Hebrew
explaining it: |
旧
约是希伯来文写的，希伯来文“撒
旦”仅
仅意味着一个对手。让我们听听会说圣经希伯来语人的解释： |
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From ancient times there has always
existed the idea that there is some kind of being outside of us who
makes us sin and who is responsible for all the evil in the world. They
call this being “Satan” but the word really just
means an adversary. In Hebrew the word“shatan” is
written like this. |
从
远古时代一直到现在都有这种想法，在宇宙之外有一种怪物，使我们的罪，掌管世界上所有的邪恶。“他
们称这是“撒
旦”，
但这个词实际上只是意味着一个对手。希
伯来语中这个词是这样写的。 |
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The word means simply “an
adversary”. As a word, it has no good or bad meaning attached
to it. In the New Testament, the Hebrew word
“satan” is also used. If we look in the New
Testament at the Gospel of Matthew, chapter 16 verse 21. |
在
希伯来文中的“撒
旦”这
样的一个词，意味着简单的“对
手”。
作为一个字，它没有好或坏的意义。希伯来文“撒
旦”也
出现在新约圣经，。如果我们查看马太福音第16章21节。 |
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From that time on Jesus began to say
plainly to his disciples, |
从
此耶稣才指示门徒 ， 他
必须上耶路撒冷去 ， 受 长 老 祭 司 长 文 士 许 多 的 苦 ， 并 且 被 杀 ， 第 三 日 复 活 。
彼 得 就 拉 着 他 ， 劝 他 说 ， 主 阿 ， 万 不 可 如 此 ， 这 事 必 不 临 到 你 身 上 。
耶 稣 转 过 来 ， 对 彼 得 说 ， 撒 但 退 我 后 边 去 吧 。 你 是 绊 我 脚 的 。 因 为 你 不 体 贴 神 的 意 思 ， 只 体 贴 人 的 意 思 。 |
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When Jesus called Peter
“Satan”,He didn’t have the idea that
Peter was a monster or a dragon with a long tail and big horns. But
quite often in the Bible, both in the Old Testament and the New
Testament, we have the idea that sin comes from inside us, and that is
the great adversary, the great Satan. That’s why by our
thoughts and by the words which come from our thoughts we will be
justified or condemned. The apostle Paul wrote to the Romans in chapter
7 verse 15 |
当
耶稣叫彼得“撒
旦”，
他并没有认为彼得是一个怪物或龙，有着一条长长的尾巴，头上长着角。但往往“圣
经”中，
无论是在旧约和新约，都表明我们的罪恶来自我们的内心，撒旦是对手的意思。这就是为什么我们的思想和我们的想法，将被谴责。在罗马书第7章15节 |
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I do not understand what I do; for I
don't do what I would like to do, but instead I do what I hate. Since
what I do is what I don't want to do, this shows that I agree that the
Law is right. So
I am not really the one who does this thing; rather it is the sin that
lives in me. |
因 为 我 所 作 的 ， 我 自 己 不 明 白 。 我 所 愿 意 的 ， 我 并 不 作 。 我 所 恨 恶 的 ， 我 倒 去 作 。
若 我 所 作 的 ， 是 我 所 不 愿 意 的 ， 我 就 应 承 律 法 是 善 的 。
既 是 这 样 ， 就 不 是 我 作 的 ， 乃 是 住 在 我 里 头 的 罪 作 的 。 |
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So the fault for sin is not with some
external being called Satan, he talks about the sin within me,
it’s not some person outside us that makes us sin, the source
of sin is within us. It’s the lusts within us which lead us
actually to sin. Those thoughts are adversaries to the will of God. |
所
以称为撒旦的这个词并不是外界的某种怪物，而是我们内心的罪恶，不是魔鬼使我们犯罪，罪的根源是在我们。是我们的私欲，从而导致我们有罪。这些想法正是违
背神的旨意。 |
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Sometimes the word is used to describe
whole systems which are opposed to something. So in Revelation chapter
2 we read that Satan’s throne or seat of power was in
Pergamos. It clearly refers to the Roman power which had a seat of
power in that town of Pergamos. I mean, Satan himself, as people
classically understand“him”, didn’t and
have a literal throne there in Pergamos. |
有
时这个词是用来描述整个系统反对的某样东西。因此，我们在启示录一章2阅
读我 知 道 你 的 居 所 ， 就 是 有 撒 但 座 位 在
别 迦 摩。
它显然是指罗马的权力在别迦摩镇。我的意思是，撒旦本人，根据人们经典的理解，“他”在
别迦摩没有宝座。 |
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And the biggest problem we have, the
biggest adversary, the nastiest “satan”, if you
like, is our own sinful tendencies. Now let’s get it clear-
sin comes from within us. I’d like to read to you from Mark
7. Mark chapter 7, reading from verse 15: |
我
们有最大的问题，最大的对手，最恶劣的“撒
旦”，
如果你喜欢这样称呼，是指我们自己罪恶的倾向。现在，让我们更加明确的了解这一点。我想阅读马可第7章，15节： |
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“There is nothing from outside
the man that going into him can defile him; but the things which
proceed out of the man are those that defile the man. … whatever from without goes
into the man, it cannot defile him; because it does not go into his heart
but into his belly …That which proceeds out of the man is
what defiles the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed
evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, wickedness,
deceit, pride, foolishness. |
从 外 面 进 去 的 ， 不 能 污 秽 人 ， 惟 有 从 里 面 出 来 的 ， 乃 能 污 秽 人 。 有 古 卷 在 此 有。 岂
不晓得凡从 外 面 进 入 的 ， 不 能 污 秽 人 。...... 因 为 不 是 入 他 的 心 ， 乃 是 入 他 的 肚 腹 ， 又 落 到 茅 厕 里 。 这 是 说 ， 各 样 的 食 物 ， 都 是 洁 净 的 。 因 为 从 里 面 ， 就 是 从 人 心 里 ， 发 出 恶 念 ， 苟 合 ，
偷 盗 ， 凶 杀 ， 奸 淫 ， 贪 婪 ， 邪 恶 ， 诡 诈 ， 淫 荡 ， 嫉 妒 ， 谤 ？ ？ ， 骄 傲 ， 狂 妄 。 |
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All these evil things proceed from
within and defile the man.” That was reading Mark 7 from
verse 15 up to verse 23 |
这 一 切 的 恶 ， 都 是 从 里 面 出 来 ， 且 能 污 秽 人 。
马可15节
至23节 |
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And let’s go further to James
1. We’re going to be reading James chapter 1 from verse 13
down to verse 15. |
让
我们接着阅读雅阁1。
我们要读雅格第1章13节
到15节。 |
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“Every man is tempted, when he
is dragged away by his own lust and enticed. Then the lust, when it has conceived,
carries sin; and the sin, when it is fully grown, brings
death.” |
“人 被 试 探 ， 不 可 说 ， 我 是 被 神 试 探 。 因 为 神 不 能 被 恶 试 探 ， 他 也 不 试 探 人 。
但 各 人 被 试 探 ， 乃 是 被 自 己 的 私 欲 牵 引 诱 惑 的 。
私 欲 既 怀 了 胎 ， 就 生 出 罪 来 。 罪 既 长 成 ， 就 生 出 死 来 。 |
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I work a lot with people battling
addictions, here in Latvia alcoholism is especially a real problem. So
many are trapped within those addictions by a strong belief that they
are controlled by forces from outside themselves, basically,
“Satan”. Recognizing that actually we
are the problem, that the
human mind canbe
transformed, and that we must take 100% responsibility for our sins,
this has been the key to success in so many spiritual battles
I’ve observed. This is where theology, if you like, doctrine,
has a radical power in practice; it is intended for the radical
transformation of human lives, human minds, in practice. This is why it
does matter what we believe. Because Bible doctrines affect our lives.
That’s why it’s important to get it right. What you
believe is how you live, just like you are, in a way, what you eat. A
person is what they believe. |
我
认识很多有毒瘾的人，酗酒在拉脱维亚是一个真正的现实问题。因此，许多人有着这样的信念，他们被外界的力量-“撒
旦”所
控制。其实如果认识到我们自己的问题，即人类的思想可以改变，我们必须为此承担100％
的责任，勇于承担我们的罪，我观察到这是我们精神成功的关键一步，神学的教义对实际的生活实践有着激进力量，它改变人们的生命，思想，和日常生活。这是为
什么我们的信仰很重要。因为圣经教义影响我们的生活。因此在某种程度上我们需要理解正确的教义。 |
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People who have rejected the standard
idea of Satan have really found great freedom |
反
对传统撒旦想法的人，已经真正的找到了自由。 |
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Josh, what did it mean for you in
practice once you understood the truth about Satan? |
乔
希，你一旦你了解撒旦的真相，对你的实际生活有什么影响？ |
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“Yeah I think for me it was a
matter of having a real choice, that there was no longer this super
being which had power over me. It made me realize I had choices, real
choices. Real freewill”. |
“是
啊，我觉得对我来说是有一个真正选择的问题，不再有这种超级存在的力量控制住我。这使我意识到我的选择，真正的选择。真正的自由意志。 |
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Right. Real freewill. This whole thing
is a ladder to reach the stars. Real freedom. Now John,
you’ve written and spoken a lot about forgiveness. Has your
understanding of Satan affected your thinking about forgiveness at all? |
真
正的自由意志。撒旦的认识让我们迈出了实质性的一步，真正的自由。现在，约翰，你曾经研究过很多关于宽恕的话题。对撒旦正确的理解是否影响您关于宽恕的思
考？ |
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“It certainly has.
It’s made a big difference actually. Once we allow ourselves
to say “the devil made me do it!” then we are
refusing to take responsibility for our own actions and their damage to
others. And also, the other way around. I mean, that to forgive people
we must face what they did, not just excuse them. If we say
that“Well, the devil made him do that to me”, to
forgive him is so much harder. Face what he did to you. And forgive
him. I think we need to leave the orthodox idea of Satan right out of
it”. |
“当
然有。实际上是一个很大的区别。一旦我们允许自己说“魔
鬼让我这样做！”，
那么，我们将拒绝为自己的行为承担责任。换一种方式思考。我的意思是，原谅他们做了什么，我们必须面对，知道他人做错了什么，不只是简单的原谅。如果我们
说，“嗯，
魔鬼让他这样对我”，
原谅他更难。我认为，我们需要去除对撒旦正统的认识。 |
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Donald, from a Chinese perspective, what
are your thoughts? “I’ve thought a lot
about all this. It seems to me that we demonize people very easily. We
transfer our sin onto them. Iran calls America “the great
satan”, we seem to draw horns and a tail on people. But
people are only people, no more and no less. By facing up to the fact
that sin is our fault, our fault as individuals, as societies, we get
far closer to reality. We can deal with people for who they are and for
how they really act, without assuming they are just puppets of some
being called Satan”. |
唐
纳德，从中国的角度来看，你有什么想法吗？ “关
于这一切我想了很多。在我看来，我们很容易妖魔化人。我们转移到我们的罪。伊朗称美国为“大
撒旦”，
我们似乎是有角和尾巴上的人。但是，人就是人，不多不少。面对事实，罪是我们的错，我们的过错，作为个人，作为社会，我们更接近现实。我们可以处理各种社
会关系以及为此采取行动，而不是假设他们只是一些被称为撒旦“的
木偶。 |
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Very interesting. Janet, penny for your
thoughts! “One verse I like is James 4:7
“Resist the Devil and he will flee from you” . I
find it quite a problem if we are wrestling with a literal beast who
runs away just because we put up a fight. The point is, resist the sin
within us, and victory comes so much easier”. |
非
常有趣。珍妮特，你的想法！ “我
喜欢的雅各4:7” 故 此 你 们 要 顺 服 神 ， 务 要 抵 挡 魔 鬼 ， 魔 鬼 就 必 离 开 你 们 逃 跑 了 。“我
发现不少问题，如果我们与野兽摔跤，他只是逃跑这一点就很奇怪。我们抵御罪恶，胜利来得容易得多“。 |
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Finally Charles? “I think belief in a personal
Satan is so popular, because it takes the focus away from our own
struggle with our innermost nature and thoughts. It makes us look
better, and others look worse. In fact actually I would say it makes us
as humans look better than we are, it excuses us from the mess we have
made on this earth”. Thankyou. |
最
后查尔斯？ “我
认为个人撒旦的信念是如此受欢迎的原因在于，因为它远离了我们自己内心的深处和思想斗争。它使我们自己更好，别人更差。其实，其实我想说它使我们人类更像
人类，乱七八糟的借口使我们在这个地球上得到谅解。 谢
谢。 |
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I’ve done quite a bit of work
with my friend Juris, and I’d like to ask him to tell us just
a little bit of his spiritual story. |
我
与我的朋友聚日式已经做了相当多这方面工作，我想请他告诉我们他成长的故事。 |
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Yes, there was the situation that
earlier, I believed in a personal devil |
是
的，早些时候，我相信魔鬼的存在。 |
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I thought that if I did anything bad, it
wasn’t really my guilt, it was the devil’s. |
我
想，如果我做了什么坏事，这并不是我的错，那是魔鬼的。 |
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But over time I came to understand that
really there is no devil in that sense. |
但
随着时间的推移，我才明白，真正的意义上并没有魔鬼存在。 |
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I came to realize that sin comes from
inside us, and we’ve got to control ourselves, within. |
我
开始认识到，罪就在我们内心，我们能够控制自己。 |
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I didn’t have a very good life. |
我
的生活并不好。 |
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When I finally understood that
everything was only in my hands in that sense |
当
我终于明白了，从某种意义上说一切都可以得到控制。 |
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My life improved and turned around by
180 degrees. |
我
的生活发生了180度
的改变。 |
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I found work, friends. |
我
找到了工作，朋友。 |
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I came to find myself, which is maybe
every person’s dream. |
我
发现了真正的自己，也许这是每个人的梦想。 |
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The main lesson for me in this issue was
to take complete responsibility for my own actions and not to blame any
being like satan. |
对
我来说，在这个问题上的主要教训是，要为自己的行为付完全的责任，不能责怪任何像撒旦的怪物。 |
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Life’s now great. |
生
命是如此的美好。 |
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So one of the biggest problems I find
with this Satan thing is that it minimizes sin. I mean, I found so many
people who had addiction problems who were convinced they were unable
to get above alcohol or drugs because they thought they were under
Satan’s control. But when you tell them that it’s
really you, the real enemy is you, they find this very attractive, very
helpful, in taking responsibility. We’ve had a number of
cases here where people have really changed their lives through
understanding the Satan issue. |
所
以撒旦的最大的问题之一是它最大限度地减少罪恶。我的意思是，我发现这么多的人确信他们无法摆脱酒精或药物，因为他们认为他们的问题在撒旦的控制之下的成
瘾。但是，当你告诉他们，这真的就是你，真正的敌人是你，他们觉得这是非常有吸引力，非常有帮助的，勇于承担责任。我们已经成功的改变了很多人对撒旦问题
的认识，使他们真正改变生活。 |
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You think they really are shifting
responsibility to Satan, then? |
你
以为他们真的是想把责
任推
给撒
旦，然后？ |
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Yes, so they tell me. So they think.
That it’s not quite their fault, it’s
Satan’s fault. But once they realize there’s no
Satan, Satan is me, they change. |
是
的，所以他们告诉我。所以，他们认为。不是他们的错，这是撒旦的错误。但是，一旦他们认识到没有撒旦，撒旦是我，他们就彻底改变。 |
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Putting all that experience into more
Biblical terms, I’d like to think a bit about the
implications of just one Bible verse, Hebrews chapter 2 verse 14.
Hebrews chapter 2 verse 14: |
所
有的经验用圣经的语言表述，我认为有一个圣经经文，希伯来书第2章14节：
希伯来书第2章14节： |
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“Since then the children
[that’s us] are sharers in flesh and blood, Jesus also
himself in like manner partook of the same nature; so that through his
death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the
Devil; and might deliver all those who through fear of death
[that’s humanity] were all their lifetime subject to
bondage”. |
儿 女 既 同 有 血 肉 之 体 ， 他 也 照 样 亲 自 成 了 血 肉 之 体 。 特 要 借 着 死 ， 败 坏 那 掌 死 权 的 ， 就 是 魔 鬼 。
并 要 释 放 那 些 一 生 因 怕 死 而 为 奴 仆 的 人. |
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So Jesus had our nature and died in
order to destroy“the Devil”. Romans 8 verse 3,
Romans 8 verse 3 says that“God ... by sending his own Son in
the likeness of sinful man (that is, in our human nature) ... condemned
sin in sinful man “. |
所
以耶稣为了摧毁“魔
鬼”而
有着我们的本性并克服死亡。罗马书8章
第3节，
罗马书8章3节
说，“神... 神 就 差 遣 自 己 的 儿 子 ， 成 为 罪 身 的 形 状 ， 作 了 赎 罪 祭 ， 在 肉 体 中 定 了 罪 案 ，...谴
责罪恶。 |
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This shows that the Devil and the sinful
tendencies that are naturally within us are effectively the same. The
verse in Hebrews chapter 2 said that the devil has“the power
of death”. But Romans 6 verse 23 and very often in the Bible
says that sin
has the power of death. But Hebrews 2 said that the devil had the power
of death. So the devil and sin are in that sense in parallel. |
这
表明，魔鬼和罪恶的倾向实际中的效果是相同的。在希伯来书第2章
的经文说，魔鬼有“死
亡的力量”。
但罗马6 23节，
而且往往在“圣
经”说，
罪有死亡的力量。但希伯来说，魔鬼死亡的力量。所以，魔鬼和罪恶是等同的。 |
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Sin in the end is our greatest accuser.
Your sin is your greatest accuser, my sin is my greatest accuser, my
greatest enemy, my greatest adversary. |
罪，
是我们最大的冤家。你的罪，是你最大的冤家，我的罪过，是我最大的冤家，我最大的敌人，我最大的对手。 |
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First of John chapter 3, let’s
have a look over there, towards the end of the New Testament, first of
John chapter 3 makes the same kind of parallel between the devil and
sin. First of John chapter 3: “For this purpose the Son of
God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the
Devil”. But let’s go on in the same chapter to
verse 5,“Jesus was manifested to take away our
sins”. It just said He was manifested to destroy the works of
the devil. So “our sins” are the works done by
the“devil”. And where does sin come from? We
already saw from the Bible- from within us. And we have to take
complete responsibility for our sins. And actually, you know all this
anyway, from your own experience, if you’re honest. |
约
翰1第
三章首先，让我们看看这章，约翰1第3章
使魔鬼和罪恶有着等同的意义。 约
翰1第3章：“因 为 魔 鬼 从 起 初 就 犯 罪 。 神 的 儿 子 显 现 出 来 ， 为 要 除 灭 魔 鬼 的 作 为 。”。
但是，让我们在同一章第5节，“主 曾 显 现 ， 是 要 除 掉 人 的 罪 。 在 他 并 没 有 罪 ”。
它只是说，他消灭魔鬼的作为。因此，“我
们的罪”是“魔
鬼”所
做的工。那么罪来自哪里？我们从“圣
经”中
已经看到。我们要为我们的罪全部责任。而实际上，我们知道这一切，如果诚实的说。 |
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If we truly perceive and believe that in
fact‘the Devil’ and its power has been vanquished
in Jesus, in His death, as the Bible teaches; if we survey the cross of
Jesus and see there the power of sin, the power of the Devil finally
slaughtered in the perfect mind of the Lord Jesus as He hung there, and
if we realize that that ultimate victory of victories has been shared
with all us who are baptized into Him…the source, the root
cause, of so much neurosis and dysfunction, fear, is revealed to us as
powerless. No fear of even death itself, ultimately. We may fear the
process, but not ultimately. No fear even of the ultimate consequence
of our sins, which is death. Because sin has been conquered in Jesus,
and we are in Him if we are properly baptized into Him. |
如
果我们真正认识和相信，其实“魔
鬼和它的力量已经被耶稣克服，通过他的死亡，圣经教导我们，如果我们自己研究十字架上的耶稣，看到罪的权势，魔鬼的权力终于被主耶稣完美的心灵所屠宰，他
被吊在那里，如果我们实现最终的胜利，胜利，我们通过受洗归入耶稣并分享他的胜利，这么多的神经官能症和功能障碍，恐惧，向我们揭示了力不从心。其实死亡
本身并不恐惧。我们可能会担心过程，但不是最终。即使我们罪的最终后果，这是死亡的恐惧。因为罪已被耶稣所征服，如果我们通过对耶稣的正确的认识并受洗归
入他。 |
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I used to think we were pretty much
alone in our view of Satan. But I found there are many many thinkers,
writers, who’ve come to the same conclusion. Now we
don’t need to get our support for truth or for an idea from
the fact that other respectable people think the same. I hope that if
it came to it for me, if it came to it for you, we would stand with our
backs to the world if we thought the Bible was really behind us. But
all the same, on a human level, if you like, it’s very
interesting to find, reading around this subject, that so many people
have come to the same conclusions. Take a very popular Christian author
Paul Tournier. I think I’ve got about all his books on my
bookshelves somewhere and I think I’ve read nearly all of
them. |
我
曾经以为我们对撒旦的看法非常孤独。但是我发现有很多的思想家，文学家，他们已经得出了同样的结论。现在，我们不需要对一个想法，事实真相得到其他可敬的
人认同的或得到他们的支持。我希望，如果它来了，我们会得到世界的支持，如果我们认为我们得到圣经的支持。但都是一样的，如果你喜欢从人的角度来观察，这
也将是非常有趣的发现，阅读这个问题，很多人都得出了相同的结论。以一种非常出名的基督教作家保罗托列尔。我想我已经得到某处我书架上有关他的所有书籍，
我认为我读过他所有的著作。 |
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|
In all of these books, he’s
coming out with the same idea- that the real struggle within the human
mind is the ultimate struggle between sin and righteousness, between
light and darkness. Paul Tournier was a fantastically popular writer,
and it’s a big theme in all his books. And there’s
one particular book which he wrote, in English translation
it’s called, The
Violence Within. It’s
very similar to another popular writer, the French sociologist Claude
Levi-Strauss, who came to the same conclusions, in a book of his The
Savage Mind. That the real
problem is our own mind, not some being outside us, but the struggle is
within, and we must take complete responsibility for that struggle. |
在
这些书中，他得出同样的结论，在人的头脑中真正的斗争，是光明与黑暗之间，罪恶和正义的最终斗争。保罗托利尔是一个极其受欢迎的作家，在他的所有书籍中都
这一个大的主题。还有一个特别的书，他写道，中文中它被称为内暴力。这是非常类似的另一种流行的作家，法国社会学家列维 - 斯
特劳斯，他的野蛮心灵的书，得到相同的结论。真正的问题是我们自己的头脑，而不是一些外界之物，我们必须对内心的斗争付全部责任。 |
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My book“The Real
Devil” , which you can get free from realdevil.info, this has
got a few hundred footnotes, to studies by theologians, psychologists,
professionals, which have come to the same conclusions. We are not
alone in this rejection of Satan as a personal being. Another book, The
Reality of the Devil: Evil Within Man. A lot of thinkers have come to
the same conclusion. But let me say again, whether we stand with our
backs to the world, doesn’t make any real difference; if this
is what the Bible teaches, so be it. But I’m just saying that
humanly speaking, it’s a comfort that other people are
thinking the same. |
我
的书“真
正的魔鬼”，
您可以从realdevil.info中
免费得到，其中有几百个脚注，神学家，心理学家，专业人士，得出了相同的结论。在反对撒但实际存在的浪潮中，我们并不孤单。另一本书，魔鬼的现实意义：人
的邪恶。很多思想家都得出了同样的结论。但是，让我再说一遍，我们是否得到世界的支持，没有做出任何真正的区别，如果这是圣经的教导，就这样吧。但我只是
说，力所能及的讲，它是一种安慰，其他人都有着同样的想法。 |
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|
So summing up, I’d say that
the ‘Devil’ remains an unexamined assumption in the
minds of very many Christian people, and people generally. The presence
of unexamined assumptions in our lives and hearts, in our worldviews,
ought to be a red flag to us. Why not examine it. We live in an age
where every paradigm is examined, every tradition overturned etc. So
have a look at this subject for yourself. Because it’s so
important that we take responsibility for our behaviour. And to realize
that actually the struggle that is within us has ultimately been won,
because the Lord Jesus, because He had our nature, has ultimately
destroyed the power of death. Facing up to the fact that we are serious
sinners is not a pleasant thing, we’d rather that was not the
case. We don’t like taking ultimate responsibility. |
因
此，我可以总结说，'魔
鬼'在
很多基督教的心目中仍然是一个未经审查的假设。未经审查的假设存在于我们的生活和心灵中，在我们的世界观，应该是我们的红旗。为什么不检查。我们生活在任
何真理都被检查的年代，许多传统被推翻，所以我们即使为了自己也要将这个主题重新审查。因为它是如此重要，我们能意识到我们的行为并为之承担责任。，其实
在我们在斗争，最终取得了胜利，因为主耶稣，因为他有我们的本性，最终摧毁了死亡的力量。面临的事实是，每当想起我们是严重的罪人，的却是一件不愉快的
事，我们宁愿认为，情况并非如此。我们不喜欢为此付出责任。 |
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|
But this is the way to true freedom. The
fact that the Lord Jesus Christ shared our nature and overcame sin, and
we can identify with Him by baptism, this is the good news of the
Gospel. It’s so much easier to simply demonize a few wicked
people, to blame other people. |
但
是，这是通往真正的自由的方式。事实上，主耶稣基督和我们有着相同的本性和战胜罪，我们可以通过洗礼归入耶稣，这是福音的好消息。只是妖魔化一些邪恶的
人，责怪其他人这一点很容易做到。 |
|
|
Solzhenitsyn was a guy who both
experienced and reflected upon evil more than most. There’s a
quote of his from The Gulag
Archipelago which I’d
like to share with you. I have it on my laptop: “If only it
were all so simple! If only... it were necessary only to separate [evil
people] from the rest of us and destroy them! But the line dividing
good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is
willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”. |
索
尔仁尼琴对邪恶这个词比我们大多数人有着更成熟的认识和反思。我想与大家分享他古拉格群岛中的一段。我一直把这一段保留在我的笔记本电脑，它说：“如
果仅是如此简单！如果只...有
必要只?把
邪恶的人从我们中挑出并摧毁他们！但善良与邪恶的削减分界线正说中了我们的内心。谁愿意摧毁自己的内心？ |
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|
If now towards the end of our
presentation you’re thinking “Yeah,
interesting…” and go off and have a coffee and get
something out of the fridge and forget about it…I will have
failed. Please, don’t leave it here. We are talking here in
deadly earnest about the very essence of Christianity- which is to be
spiritually minded, to overcome temptation within, to have the mind of
Christ. Have a serious read through “The Real
Devil”. It’s there at realdevil.info . You can get
the PDF, you can order the book for free. And don’t give
yourself any rest until you’ve been properly baptized into
Jesus, so that His victory over sin and death becomes yours. Of course,
you will have questions, doubts, unease. And I understand that. Pray
about it, and drop us an email- info@carelinks.net. Or if you want to have it out with me
personally, I’m Duncan Heaster and my personal email is dh@heaster.org. God bless you. |
我
关于魔鬼的介绍就快结束，你是否在想：“是
啊，有趣的......”接
着就离开了，喝了一杯咖啡，从冰箱里拿些吃的，然后就忘掉它了......如
果是这样，我的介绍就很失败了。请不要偏离重点。我们这里所说的基督教，纯粹是精神上的，克服内心的诱惑并战胜罪恶，有着基督的思想。通过认真阅读“真
正的魔鬼”。
请访问我们的网址realdevil.info。
你可以得到PDF格
式，也可以免费得到这本书的纸质版本。在完全正确认识耶稣并受洗之前，请不要留给自己任何休息的时间，耶稣战胜过罪和死亡的胜利便成为我们的。当然，如
果你有任何问题，疑
虑，不
安。据我所知，祈
祷，并
通过电子邮件的方式联系我们info@carelinks.net。
或者如果您想亲自跟我单独探讨，我
是邓肯，我
的个人电子邮件是dh@heaster.org的。
上帝保佑你。 |
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